Granddad Charlie

When I started with my family tree, I silently hoped for some well known people to be my ancestors. Wouldn’t it be fun, to find someone famous.
I was alone in this ambition, as my sensible family couldn’t care less.
Thanks to internet, I found a lot of names, and I even found out one of my ancestors was the sister of a famous poet, (Bredero) wow, but I couldn’t get any further with the branch of my grandmother Clasina. She was born in Rotterdam and I thought all paperwork from the registers had been lost in WWII.
But that was not the case. In The Netherlands we have this archive on line with all registers of birth, death, baptizes and marriages that goes back to the days of Napoleon. It is called GenLias. I found my grandmother, but I found a lot more than just her.

With finding her, a long list of ancestors soon followed. Not only though GenLias, but also thanks to other family trees online. They gave their sources as well, and so, in no time, I had hundreds, thousands of ancestors and the sources to check. And the further back in time I went, the more up class the people seem to be. I came across counts, dukes, kings and even empires.

Of course I haven’t been in the bedrooms of these people while they were making babies, so I can’t be 100 % sure, but these people do have official papers that say they were who they are.

One of them is Charlemagne. English: Charles the Great, Dutch: Karel de Grote, German: Karl der Grosse, Latin: Carolus Magnus, King of the Franks and Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. He shows up thousands of times in my family tree. This phenomenon is called Ahnenverlust in German, the fact that you have less different ancestors as you go back in time, due to doubles. It is quiet normal to have the same ancestor in three or more generations even. I think just about everyone in Europe has at least one line of ancestors to him somehow. He was the most important figure of our history and all later royals and aristocrats descend from him one way or another.

He was born in 742, on April 2, not quite sure where exactly but somewhere in Northern Europe, prob. in what is now Belgium. His parents were Pippin III and Bertrada of Laon, and he was their eldest son. According to his secretary and biographer Einhard “he was six feet four inches tall, and built to scale. He had beautiful white hair, animated eyes, a powerful nose…a presence ‘always stately and dignified.’ He was temperate in eating and drinking, abominated drunkenness, and kept in good health despite every exposure and hardship.” It is also said he became master of Western Europe by the sword and the cross.
In the year 768 Charles inherited the kingdom of the Franks, together with his brother Carloman, who died in 771, and Charlemagne then became sole ruler of the kingdom. He could not write, but still learned Latin and a little Greek.
He had many children and some of them are ancestors of mine. Was he a nice father I wonder. Did he ever cuddle with his grandchildren?He was tall and had white hair. A sort of santa.
He was the one who invented school, so we learned in history lessons. This is why we children didn’t like him very much. But wouldn’t it be nice to be able to meet him… and say “Hi granddad. I am one of your thousands of offspring. Just a very tiny bit of you is me. As my sons say: when you clip your nails, all you inherited from this Charlemagne might be gone. Oh well. Thank you for giving the world a new chance in civilization. And granddad, I am proud I am almost 6 feet tall. As I got that from you perhaps?” 😉

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  1. So neat Ina. I thought we might be related, but didn’t see any names in your post that might connect us. My ancestors go back to King James, (yeah he one whose name appears on the King James version of the Bible). Mary Queen of Scots and Bony Prince Charlie… of course that is nothing to brag about as I am told James was a flake, and as I recall Charlie was a horse thief. And dear Mary was beheaded.. I am also of the Campbell and LaMont clans.. These people tried to kill each other off, but at some point, a Campbell actually married a Lamont, so I am a bit of both. Not sure that is anything to brag about either.. Still it is fun to poke around and figure out from where we have come.

  2. Hi Marica, now that is fun, I think we might have a connection there, I will try and find the ancestors of King James, as I have Alfred the Great in the family tree as well, (generation 37 lol ) and a King David of Scotland. I suppose there is a chance somewhere we are related lol! Here is a family tree starting with Alfred the Great. If you take a look at N0 120: “120. PRINCE OF WALES JAMES FRANCIS EDWARD 27 STUART was born June 10, 1688 in St. James Palace, London, England, and died January 1, 1766 in Rome, Italy. He married MARIA CASIMIRE CLEMENTINA SOBIESKA September 3, 1719 in Monte Fiascone, daughter of PRINCE JAMES LOUIS SOBIESKI. She was born July 18, 1702, and died January 18, 1735 in Rome, Italy.

    Children of JAMES STUART and MARIA SOBIESKA are:

    i. CHARLES EDWARD LOUIS 28 STUART (BONNY PRINCE CHARLIE) , b. December 31, 1720, Rome, Italy; d. January 31, 1788, Rome, Italy; m. LOUISE MAXIMILIENNE CAROLINE, April 17, 1772, Marcerata; b. September 10, 1752, Mons; d. January 29, 1824, Florence, Italy.

    More about CHARLES EDWARD STUART: Landed in Scotland to raise Jacobite rebellion in 1745 to attempt to restore Scottish and English thrones. Defeated at Culloden after which he returned to exile. ”

    So hi cousin 🙂 This is the family tree of my 2 youngest sons., but it isn’t ready yet. It will never be, every day I find new ancestors. In my blogroll here there is the line to King Cerdic as well, King cerdic is an ancestor of Alfred the Great.

  3. Interesting, Ina!

    Your grandfather, on Christmas Day, was declared Emperor of the Romans by the Pope in the Church of St. Peter.

    In his quest to revive the public schools of France, he took the name of David (it was given to him) as other academicians were using the names of other famous men in history. Perhaps they gave him this name because he knew the Psalms by heart-a king after God’s own heart! The Arabians sent to him the the first clock ever seen in Europe. It was powered by water. (Better than Big Ben, I suppose. Lol!)

    Maybe some of your other ancestors were among the 12 Peers (Often other family members were included). One such paladin was named Orlando (others called him Roland). Bet these little factoids (that word makes me giggle) would interest your sons in genealogy. Lol!

    I am honored to chat with the bloodline of royalty!

  4. 🙂
    You are probably from the same bloodline too, I think everyone is, just dig deep enough!

    My sons would only be interested if there was money to be inherited. No such luck 😦

  5. The Scottish are into genealogy in a big way. I used to enjoy going to the Scottish festival. Almost everyone is Scottish, according to them. I just like seeing men in short skirts. Lol!

  6. A little more Celtic music:

  7. Nice. I never wear skirts, I wonder what those pipers do when it is a windy day.

    • I love to wear skirts…especially in the springtime. In fact, they are much cooler during the heat of summer. But, you do need to check the weather first!

  8. I wonder if Bayard is the horse Marcia is referring to? Sounds like Rinaldo had a few battles trying to tame the star-headed horse.

  9. I have a Scottish King David as ancestor. lol.

    Don’t know, I have to look it up.


  10. Must go and cook dinner. 🙂 have fun!

    • Thanks very much Thinker! I havent got that one yet, I like it. 🙂 I think you would have fun looking for ancestors too.

  11. They told me they found me under a rock, Ina. I wouldn’t know where to begin looking for my ancestors-would I look in geology or paleontology? Lol!

  12. Your parents marriage book lol. If you know the date of there marriage, you are in business. And perhaps you know the dates of your grandparents bd’ s, just google their names and you might find someone is already doing a tree.
    They told me I was found on the beach 🙂

  13. Someone has already done that; I found out my father had no children! Lol!

  14. Huh? lol 🙂 That means you don’t exist?

  15. I guess! Lol!

    Here is how it was once explained:

  16. Family affair, I loved that series! It was in the sixties. Buffy and Jody and that Butler. Uncle Bill, the ideal daddy, like Danny Kay. (Mine was at sea a lot)
    So you are adopted perhaps? And I go on rambling about my ancestors… 😦 sorry.

  17. No, I’m not adopted, Ina. In fact, my grandmother used to keep the genealogy in the family Bible, as most people did years ago. Most I can still remember as she and her friends talked about everyone’s relatives! Lol! (Not in a bad way)

    My great-grandfather, from the other side, is Dutch. So, we probably are related! Lol!

    • lol 🙂 hey that is great! What is his last name?

      This commercial I had never seen but I think it is a good way to learn Dutch lol. And it is about peeing in the street 🙂

      Goodnight Thinker Belle!

  18. That is a very rude commercial, Ina. Are people really that way over there?

    I would not want to name my relatives online, especially after reading some of the commenters intentions-you understand, I’m sure. The people who follow these cases are rather scary.

    • Well the commercial was to point out to people they could be a bit more social 🙂 I think it is rather funny but I do have a strange sense of humour.

  19. Wrong one–this is better:

    • I saw that musical in Sweden for the first time, and many times later, it is a very nice one I think. We had an album with the songs, so I know them by heart. 🙂
      I didn’t see these comments before now.

  20. Ina,
    Sorry I haven’t been back to visit in a while. I lost my Mom the 24th, and I just can’t seem to focus on much of anything. Cool about the connections. Wish I knew more, but am one of those impatient types that scans, rather than reads lengthy articles, and I don’t retain much. My mind has about as much ability of holding onto anything as a sieve does holding water. I was once a sponge and loved to read, but old age creeps upon me, and I think “Oh why bother”!

    A bit more on the Clan LaMont, pretty much whipped by the Campbell’s, so they changed their names with hope of being less conspicuous. The lesser of the clan, to say the warriors and farmers, became known as the Lamb’s . There were variations of the name, but guess what I am!
    Yep.. a Farmers daughter, and a scrappy one at that, so I guess my heritage doesn’t lie! Although I have never stolen a horse, there was once a man who offered to chop off my head. A few years later he committed suicide, so I don’t think he was quite stable.

  21. Hi Marica, I hope you will get bye this difficult time, I know it is hard.

    Those clans were always fighting somehow, but I think there is not much of those kind of hostilities nowadays? They have the Highland games now I suppose. Like soccer matches, it replaces wars and troubles lol.

    Chop off your head! Wow, yes that sounds rather unstable to me. 😦

  22. Yeah, he wasn’t a very popular person and I later learned the man had abused his children. He must have been a very miserable person. I certainly hope his instabilities didn’t carry over to his grandchildren. So far no signs of such, and the kids Father is now in his 70’s and hasn’t shown any signs of behaviors such as his Father.

  23. So it doesn’t run in the family. I don’t think insanity is very inheritable, although some royals were insane due to inbreed?

  24. That is true, Ina. And, some of the insanity was cased by the lead pipes in the earlier water systems.

  25. Beethoven died of lead poisoning. It is fabulous how they discovered that, by a lock of his hair. I think I want to write a blog about it. He was a bit insane too I suppose, as he was a genius. Not much difference 😉

  26. Can’t wait for the new post! Hope you include a clip of the testosterone type elevator music as well. I like Beethoven!

  27. The European anthem I think lol. Van Beethovens 9th anyway. Van, not von! I am not sure it got any balls in it 🙂

  28. The American version-cultural difference:

  29. I stumbled upon this article. I don’t know how factual it is, because it’s network hasn’t been reliable in the past; however, it is interesting. Didn’t you say your husband’s name was Toussaint? How did he get that name I wondered, as I had never heard it before. Anyway, here is the article:

    • It is a first name that he got from his grandfather and so on.

      This link is for a Toussaint we stumble upon a lot when we google ancestors 🙂 but he is not one of them, it is the last name there. It means all saints, his name day is November 1 (here that is, other dates in other countries)

  30. I thought these two were connected, and they were:

    If you read down, it tells about young girls looking in mirrors to see their future husband. This reminds me of a scene in “Cold Mountain” where she (Nichole Kidman) looks in a mirror while being held over a well to catch a vision of her beloved (Jude Law) while awaiting his return from the Civil War. When he does arrive, and finally dies, it appears much like her vision. I thought that was the most interesting part of the movie. If you haven’t seen it, you should. Many didn’t like it, but, I did.

  31. I will if I get a chance. 🙂
    Now it is time to go to bed, I am running a fever 😦
    Night Thinker Belle!

  32. OMG! I hope you get to feeling better soon. Drink plenty of fluids, take some vitamin C, and get plenty of rest.

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